The Holker Street Newsletter 2899

This episode will be of  interest to Gatehead FC, Kidderminster Harriers, Lincoln City and any BSP stattos looking for old and obscure results data.

So to cut to the chase another look at the goings from a Barrow FC point of view courtesy of the Holker Street Newsletter from Ralph. Imps should take a look at Kidderminster Harriers correspondent  Ian Nash’s article (second story) entitled EARLY SEASON and the Gateshead new stadium update is third from the bottom.

Cheers Ralph from in New Zealand

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Barrow’s game on Saturday at home to Alfreton Town can be viewed as
particularly significant, as here we are three games into the new season,
and we only have two points on the board, by virtue of drawing the first two
games of the season, and we only have one goal in our goals-for column on
the League table, scored during our 3-1 defeat last Saturday. Our visitors,
Alfreton are one place below us in the table, but with only one point on the
board (earned from a 3-3 home draw with Southport), so at this early stage
of the season, we need to start picking up points against sides who have had
a worse start to the season, and there are aren’t many clubs like this, but
Alfreton are one of them.

In Thursday’s Mail, Dave Bayliss makes clear how important he sees this
game: “We have to start putting wins on the board, that is the main thing,
ourselves and Alfreton are in a group of teams who will be fighting for the
same thing this season – to stay in the League. There is no getting away
from that. Already, four matches into the new season, this is a huge, huge
game against Alfreton. The lads are well aware of that. We have told them in
training this week, it’s a must-win game on Saturday. They know how
important it is.”

And don’t forget, Barrow will be wearing their white-and-blue home kit, and
not the black-and-white pre-season strip, after the quirks delaying its
arrival have been sorted.

Dave Bayliss has been going through his little black book seeking out
players who would slip into the Barrow side, and he told the Mail: “Ruthers
has been playing with stitches in his shin. He had stitches put in last week
after the game at Hyde. He’s been playing under a lot of pain. We need to do
better out wide in games. We are not getting enough balls into the box, I
don’t think we’ve made enough in-roads in those areas of the pitch. I think
we’ve looked a bit one-dimensional. We look a bit short in that position and
we’re trying to work on improving that at the moment. Hopefully we will get
the go-ahead to bring one or two players in before the weekend, to freshen
things up.”

As for the new arrival from Bradford City, Dean Oversen, who has been signed
on a one-month youth loan deal to provide cover for Matty Flynn, Bayliss
tells us: “I’ve seen Dean play for Bradford, both me and (Barrow coach) Ash
(Hoskin) have seen him and know about him. He will give us defensive cover.
Ben needs to play games, He wasn’t gaining any experience by not playing.”

And in news that really should be on the club’s website (part 235 of a
continuing series), the Mail reports: “The Barrow AFC supporters’ car boot
sale held in Urswick on Sunday raised GBP440, which will be handed over to
the club in the near future. The sale was organised by Bluebirds fan Sheila

Finally, I think most people were disappointed at the attendance (1087) for
out first (and so far only) home game of the season, and I can’t help
noticing how many went to watch Chester FC’s first home game of the season,
a 1-0 victory over our county cousins, Workington mid-week, 3007, in the
Blue Square Bet North. It will be interesting to see what attendance Barrow
get for this Saturday’s game, granted it’ll be significantly less that
graced the Chester game, but I hope it’s not too much to ask for more than
were at the Barrow v AFC Telford game.

From Ian Nash, our Kidderminster correspondent

I’m not talking about the start of Kidderminster’s season until I’m not so
embarrassed to do so! Seriously though, I’m not yet suicidal. We have had
three hard matches:

Lincoln (away) were a very poor side. They scored a gift goal and then
shut-up shop for the remainder of the first half and all the second half. No
excuses, they were there for the taking and we couldn’t take advantage.

Luton (home) were really impressive and Harriers also played well. We lost
to the better team and the big difference was a certain Mr Fleetwood, who
converted two cracking half-chances into brilliant goals.

Mansfield (home) were again there for the taking and Harriers led twice
having dominated for much of the game. They didn’t use their heads however.
In trying to finish the match on a high, the new defence was caught up-field
and completely out of position (not only once but twice) and threw the match
away. Incidentally, the referee for this match should have been selected
more carefully. In the corresponding fixture last season we had a player
seriously injured, requiring the air ambulance (thankfully he survived), as
the result of what appeared to the majority of fans to have been an assault.
The referee saw it differently but, if he had dealt with persistent,
unacceptable tactics throughout that match, maybe he wouldn’t have lost
control. The ref on Saturday was weak and those same unacceptable tactics
were allowed to persist, it spoilt the match for me.

The Kidderminster manager needs to do a bit of tinkering but, it’s early
days and I think the players should learn from mistakes. If not, we’re in
trouble! We’ll see?


By Dave Leitch

The first period yesterday at Woking was good. Barrow playing the ball on
the ground, and we scored a great goal by Hunter and were unlucky to hit the
post three times.

It was really hot weather. Too hot for some Barrow players in the second
half and the three substitutions didn’t work. Barrow were outplayed more and
more as the game went on. Not a disastrous afternoon football-wise, but
Barrow will have to play a bit better if they are to rise up the League

The Independent Supporters Club (ISC) are running a coach to Barrow’s away
game against Macclesfield Town on Bank Holiday Monday 27 August, leaving
Ramsden Square at 10am, with seats priced at GBP15 for ISC members and GBP18
for non-members, as always, other pick-ups can be arranged en route if
required. To book, contact Stuart on 07791268705, and as always, there is an
alcohol ban on all ISC coaches.

The Bluebird Development Fund (BDF) carry out a considerable amount of
sterling work to raise much-needed funds for Barrow AFC, and Richard Ingham
has been in touch with some more details.

First up is a plan to provide a subscription service for Barrow programmes
this season, whilst it’s planned to have only home programmes available this
way, if demand exists, then it will be extended to programmes from away
games as well.

Then they are running a scheme where supporters can make pledges on Barrow
games (wins for the season, points gained, individual scorers, etc), and
have options to pay by the game, monthly or at the end of the season.

Then we have the scheme where supporters can have the opportunity to sponsor
pitch squares at GBP10, pages in the programme at GBP20 and player’s kit
(home GBP50 and away GBP50).

So, if you are interested in any of these, why not drop an email to Richard
at either or


Saturday 11 August        Barrow 0 AFC Telford United 0    1087
Tuesday 14 August        Hyde FC 0 Barrow 0            798
Saturday 18 August        Woking 3 Barrow 1            1373
Saturday 25 August        Barrow v Alfreton Town
Monday 27 August        Macclesfield Town v Barrow (3pm)

Tuesday 17 July    Alfreton Town 1 Barnsley 3         671
Saturday 21 July    Alfreton Town 0 Leeds United 2     830
Wednesday 25 July     Alfreton Town 0 Notts County 0     618
Saturday 28 July     Alfreton Town 0 Burnley 3        366
Tuesday 31 July     Sutton Town AFC 2 Alfreton Town 2
Friday 3 August     Alfreton Town 2 Chesterfield 1    1013
Saturday 11 August     Stockport County 1 Alfreton Town 1    3448
Tuesday 14 August     Alfreton Town 3 Southport 3        562
Saturday 18 August     Alfreton Town 0 Hereford United 3    690
Saturday 25 August     Barrow v Alfreton Town

Tuesday 24 July    Nantwich Town 5 Macclesfield Town 1
Saturday 21 July    Witton Albion 1 Macclesfield Town 1
Wednesday 25 July    Buxton 0 Macclesfield Town 6
Saturday 21 July    Colwyn Bay 0 Macclesfield Town 2
Wednesday 1 August     New Mills 1 Macclesfield Town 6
Saturday 4 August     Macclesfield Town 2 FC United of Manchester 0
Friday 10 August    Hereford 2 Macclesfield Town 1        2139
Tuesday 14 August    Macclesfield Town 2 Wrexham 0         2368
Saturday 18 August     Macclesfield Town 2 Dartford 0        1420
Saturday 25 August     Lincoln City v Macclesfield Town
Monday 27 August    Barrow v Macclesfield Town

Friday 24 August: Stockport County v Gateshead (7.45pm).
Saturday 25 August: Barrow v Alfreton Town, Braintree Town v Newport County,
Dartford v Kidderminster Harriers, Forest Green Rovers v Woking, Hereford
United v Ebbsfleet United, Lincoln City v Macclesfield Town, Luton Town v
AFC Telford United, Mansfield Town v Hyde FC, Nuneaton Town v Cambridge
United, Southport v Tamworth (all 3pm), Wrexham v Grimsby Town (live on
Premier Sports 5.15pm).

Monday 27 August: AFC Telford United v Stockport County, Alfreton Town v
Nuneaton Town, Cambridge United v Dartford, Ebbsfleet United v Luton Town,
Gateshead v Lincoln City, Grimsby Town v Mansfield Town, Hyde FC v
Southport, Kidderminster Harriers v Forest Green Rovers, Macclesfield Town v
Barrow, Newport County v Hereford United, Tamworth v Wrexham (all 3pm).
Tuesday 28 August: Woking v Braintree Town (7.45pm).
Saturday 1 September: Barrow v Kidderminster Harriers, Braintree Town v
Tamworth, Dartford v Alfreton Town, Forest Green Rovers v Hyde FC, Hereford
United v Grimsby Town, Lincoln City v Ebbsfleet United, Luton Town v
Macclesfield Town, Mansfield Town v Woking, Nuneaton Town v Gateshead,
Southport v AFC Telford United, Stockport County v Cambridge United, Wrexham
v Newport County.

I’ve received this and thought it would be of interest, whilst the site is
free to use, there are sections available for a fee, but I still thought it
worthy of a plug as those that are free are worth looking at.

What is it?
A complete database of English club football from 1888/89 season to the
present day. It combines the match-by-match line-up and scorer databases of
Tony Brown with the player database of Michael Joyce to ensure that every
“John Smith” is correctly identified. The first phase product provides
individual match details and the full player database.

The criterion for an entry in the database is that the games are played by
clubs who are members of the Football League and Premier League in the
season concerned. There are 400,000 line-ups, 600,000 goal scorers and
40,000 players.

In later phases we hope to include match videos, newspaper reports and
photographs, all by arrangement with the copyright holders.

Is it free to use?
The results and dates of all English club competitions are free to access.
Full match and player details require a GBP5 daily or GBP32 annual
subscription. In later phases of development, items such as video highlights
of matches will also attract an additional charge, on a ‘pay-per-view’

When is it available?
Phase one will launch in August 2012 (ie now).

What is included in the Phase One offering?
Unlike cricket, football has never had a definition of ‘first class’. The
database designers have therefore created a number of ‘groups’ into which
each game is classified. The phase one database includes groups A to G
below. They are all viewed as ‘first-team’ games in organised competition
(and therefore not ‘friendly’ games). By adopting this structure, we are
able to extend the database to any other areas our readers may suggest
(given time and resources of course!).

Group A: Football League and Premiership, excluding 1939/40 and club’s
abandoned seasons (e.g. Wigan Borough, Aldershot).

Group B: FA Cup: Matches played by a Football League club (in the year in
question) in any round (including Qualifying and Intermediate Rounds).
Includes 1945/46 season.

Group C: Football League Cup.

Group D: European club tournaments (but not Inter-Toto and Supercup/World
Club Cup events, which are in Group G).

Group E: Play-off and test matches.

Group F: Full and Associate Members Cups (such as the Johnstone’s Paint

Group G: Other official tournaments organised by FIFA, UEFA, the Football
League and the FA. At present, these are:
The Charity/Community Shield
Anglo-Italian Cup (1970-73, 1993-96)
Anglo-Scottish Cup
Anglo-Italian League Cup Winners Cup (1970-72)
Screensport Super Cup
World Club Cup
UEFA Super Cup
FIFA Club World Cup
Third Division North and South Cups
Watney Cup
Football League Group Cup/Trophy (1982, 1983)
(Texaco Cup 1971-75)
Mercantile Credit Centenary Trophy (1988)
FA Cup third-place games (1970-74)

There are many other groups that may be added in later phases:
Group H: “Commemorative games”(FL Jubilee Fund games, Empire Exhibition Cup,
FL Centenary Everton v Bayern Munich, Festival of Britain)

Group I: Regional competitions not under the auspices of the FL (Alliance
1889-92, Combination 1888/89, Southern Professional Floodlit Cup, United
Counties League 1893-95)

Group J: Pre-season tournaments (Makita etc)

Group K: Charity Cups (Bass Charity Vase etc)

What details are provided?

For matches:
Date and place of game
Attendance (Football League official figures 1925/26 to 2001/02, and
newspaper reports)

League Division or Cup Round
The match result and half-time score if known
The eleven starting players for each team, and any substitutes used
The scorers, with goal times if known

The phase one project will be launched with some minor details omitted. We
intend to provide more goal times, half-time scores, ‘which substitute
replaced what player’, names of own-goal scorers and referee’s names as ‘on
going’ projects by the database maintenance team.

For players:
Full name and ‘name known by’
Date of birth and year of death
Place of birth
Summaries of clubs, seasons played, with appearance, substitute and goal

Other features of the database:
A calendar is provided, to show match results and League tables on any date
A ‘club v club’ section allows games between any two clubs to be listed

What is the work in progress?
The database is built from player details and individual match data. As part
of the validation exercise, the seasonal appearance and goals totals from
the player database has been compared with the totals calculated from the
match data. We found around 2000 differences. This may sound a lot, but it
is actually less than 1% of the whole data set. We are steadily working
through the list, making changes to the database
as we go, but under controlled conditions and in hopefully consultation with
club experts.

Also, we have 50 examples of scorers who are not in the line-up. This is
usually because the line-up grid is incorrect, but correcting the game in
which the problem arises is not always sufficient; other games may also be

From The Newcastle Chronicle

Chairman Graham Wood insists Gateshead’s plans for a new stadium remain “on
track.” However, he admits to having been left frustrated by delays in the
progress of the venture. Despite a solid start to the Blue Square Bet
Premier season, just 531 turned up at the 11,800-capacity International
Stadium for Saturday’s home game against Forest Green Rovers. The club needs
crowds of around 3000 to break even at the International Stadium. The new
purpose-built ground – proposed for Prince Consort Road on the site of the
old North Durham Rugby and Cricket Club opposite the Civic Centre – would
help alleviate that shortfall. Two sets of tenants have thus far fallen
through, but Wood is confident a third option is nearing fruition.

He said: “The stadium is still progressing, although much slower than I or
anyone else would like. “However, we are still on the right track and it is
hugely important we get there. We really could not sustain a team at the
same level at the International Stadium for as long as we could at a new
purpose-built stadium. It opens up an awful lot more avenues for us. If we
are going to have a sustainable future, we cannot expect me to bankroll it
forever. My pockets are not that deep! Moving to a new stadium always brings
the crowds in and in our case a purpose-built football stadium will create a
better atmosphere. Progress is slow, frustratingly so, but we are moving

From the official Grimsby Town website

Final sales before the Blue Square Bet Premier League season got underway
last weekend saw season-ticket sales hit a three-season high with a total
number of 1841 sold, a fabulous 140 fans up on last year. The receipts also
have topped GBP300,000 – over GBP18,000 up on last year’s season-ticket
campaign. A massive thank you to all those fans who have bought a
season-ticket, the club couldn’t survive without you!

From Terry Kendall

September 9 1992, Fleetwood Town 2 Barrow 2
Fleetwood: Thornley, Hughes, Lovelle, Haydock, Gerrard, Walsh, Lancashire,
Moran, Diggle, Trainor, Madden. Subs: Longrigg, Murphy (Used)
Barrow: Armfield, Edwards, Wiggins, Rowlands, Skivington, Oldroyd, Doherty,
Messenger, Brady, Rigby, McKenna. Subs: McHugh, Proctor (Unused).
Goals: John Brady 5, Craig Madden 9, 56 Kenny McKenna 22.
Ref: R. Grayson (Burnley). H/t: 1-2. Att: 498.

Barrow AFC, Wilkie Road, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, LA14 5UW. Telephone and
fax +44 (0)1229 823061,
Official Barrow AFC home page:
Barrow AFC unofficial home page:
Barrow AFC statistics page:
Another Barrow AFC site:
Barrow AFC blog:
Bluebird Development Fund fundraising site:
BDF section on the club’s website:
BDF contact email address:
National Supporters’ Club contact email address:
Furness Cavaliers:
Askam United:
Dalton United:
Furness Premier Football League:
The Evening Mail’s web site:
Lancashire Football Association:
Official Conference site:
Conference grounds:
Walney Island: and
Official Barrow Rugby League site:
BBC Radio Cumbria: North, east and west 95.6FM, south 96.1FM, Whitehaven and
Keswick 104.1FM, Kendal 95.2FM and Windermere 104.2 FM. AM; north 756 AM,
south 837 AM and west 1458 AM:
Live broadcast:
Barrow Sports Council:
Links to the above and other Barrow and Furness related sites:
The weather in Barrow:

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